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Welcome to Tim Van Orden’s Running Uncooked Undertaking. In this episode: Tim shares a new study that just came out in the American Journal of Medical Diet that appears to be at vegetarian diet plans and their influence on coronary heart sickness.
This study (recognized as the EPIC study), performed by scientists at Oxford College in England, seemed at the diet plans of just about 45,000 men and women – 34% of which were being vegetarian – and in contrast coronary heart sickness possibility as perfectly as other markers of well being.
What they uncovered was that the vegetarians experienced 32% a lot less possibility of coronary heart sickness than did their non-vegetarian counterparts in the study.
The study can be uncovered right here: http://ajcn.nourishment.org/material/early/2013/01/30/ajcn.112.044073.abstract?sid=06d590b1-1a92-4906-8e23-5de4baefa433
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If this was true Cardiologists would recommend this diet. Mine did not. Yes, more veggies and fruits and less meat but not no meat.
Ah, modern inuit ( their diet is more grain that 99.9% MEAT ) – 1991, life expectancy = 68 ( 10 years lower than for Canada )
Davies & Hanson 1965 ( one of the few studies with cholesterol < 200 ) :
Considering that 75% to 90% of their food was acquired in the traditional way, a life expectancy of 32 years is not exactly a ringing endorsement of the healthfulness of the Eskimo/Inuit diet.
Cholesterol increased with fish oil intake – cholesterol gets higher as the diet becomes more traditional.
I don't know where you got that figure from, but it's wrong. here is a quote from WHO "figures In 1991 (1989-1993), life expectancy at birth (both
sexes combined) in the Inuit-inhabited areas was
about 68 years" The most common cause of death was a hunting accident. They also appear to be physically stronger than many other people, do to constant hard work in harsh climate.
Inuit people ? The one with an average lifespan of 27 years ?
Ummm folks, anyone ever look up the only modern society that has little to ZERO heart disease and cholesterol problems? They are Inuit people in northern siberia, they eat 99.9% MEAT and animal fat, seal, whale, fish, etc….. so sorry but a vegan diet is not the cause of reduced heart disease
My mother just had a heart attack (100% blockage on the Right side, 80% on the Left) on Saturday morning… the day before her 53rd b-day. My dad, who always gives me crap for eating a mostly raw veg diet, called that morning and asked for my help regarding diet. I love that they're looking to me for help, but saddened that it took my mother having a major heart attack for them to step into action.
On the contrary, the "vegetarians" in the study were eating most of the unhealthiest foods of the so called vegetarian foods, namely, refined sugar, refined high processed white flours and oils.That isn´t a true healthy vegetarianism at all. Not eating meat or animal produces, doesn´t make a vegetarian! Had the true vegetarians been chosen in the study, had those few ones who eat a healthy whole-foods, plant-based diet only, and the final result would have been much better ( around 90% or more).
A vegetarian diet doesn´t necessarily mean a true, healthy whole plant-based diet. I believe the result of that study would be 99,9 %( or more) had it been made among true vegetarians.
Diet is not the only factor in heart disease. Stress is also a major factor. Even those on a simple, clean, plant-based diet can get heart disease if they are chronically stressed.
Dr Esselstyn said that heart disease should never exist on a healthy whole plant-based diet. I trust him, I´m a living proof of that, as both my parents died in a relatively early age from heart disease and I was already on my way and surely would be dead now hadn´t I reversed my own high blood pressure just in time on a vegetarian ( almost vegan ) diet, without any medicines whatsoever. Our body heals itself, provided we give it a chance.
"I'm a vegetarian but I eat bacon" – some lady on CNN
Raising animals for food creates 18% of global greenhouse gases – more than the transportation sector. Greenhouse gases are created by animal farts and burps (aka enteric fermentation), manure decomposition, and deforestation to make room for grazing animals and growing feed. Producing a pound of hamburger meat contributes as much greenhouse gas as driving a small car nearly 20 miles. A pound of pork equals about 5 miles, and a pound of potatoes only 0.34 miles.
I don't believe I know you. However, suggesting to your loonie friends to not engage with me is a good idea and I appreciate it.
Exactly. They were so nutritionally educated, they stopped eating meat.
psssssst, keep silent,
and never ever make a grape fast study or high raw fruit based study, otherwise all medical hope for our so nicely constructed medical chemical machine are gone. :)
Thank you :)
Evan Noway is the resident WP troll. His presence here to "debunk" the cited study with irrelevancies/fallacies is to be expected[sigh]
Evan Noway: memorize the handle and don't engage with it when you see it, people!
Agree with the poster that your position on this is hard to discern; your statements seem to contradict your avatar . . .
Have scientists speculated on how bizarre it is how we eat weird things to stay alive? Fruit is like these things that grow, out of a plant, like an alien placenta, and then we eat them, and they become us..Like hold it right there, do scientists know what the actual fuck is going on here and how crazy this is ?
I agree. Observational studies are never right on the money. They are simply correlations. But important nonetheless.
One thing I like to keep in mind when hearing about a study about % chance of getting XYZ is that they don't mean much alone. For example, if a study finds that 10% of marathon runners are found to have heart bleeding etc. afterwards, it could easily mean that 10% of the runners did not prepare well or pushed themselves too hard (as pro athletes do all the time). I think the benefits alluded to in this study are much more dramatic than portrayed.
Thanks for posting this – great news for all :)
Lamestream media finally catching on, tards…
Tim, you always make very inspiring videos! I saw on Rich Roll's Facebook that you are a guest on his podcast! That is AWESOME! I am eager to listen to it tomorrow on the 90 minute run!
You know, personal attacks is the lowest form of behavior one resorts to, when they cannot handle the arguments. Not that I care, you are clearly losing your temper which is enough evidence for me that you have nothing meaningful to add to the discussion. Feel free to contribute more spite, it will paint a clearer picture of who you are.
You are accusing me of all that… for simply quoting the studies you don't like? You must be feeling really uncomfortable.
Would you agree, my friend, that engaging Evan Noway, any further, would be both foolish and unnecessary; a waste of time? See my last comment; I feel I should merely repeat this comment for the sake of people who are not accustomed to analyzing research, that may become confused by confusionists such as EN. Would you agree with this approach? As you seem to "know him"; and his behavior, I know the type; obsessive compulsive.
You are deliberately being evasive, obfuscating the subject, detailing distorted irrelevancies, and bringing a smelling red herring to confound the discussion, unfortunately for you, we know your game. 1) the Oxford study you are citing found Veg's had, overall, 50% less chance of contracting cancer! 2) The recent, LARGEST, studies, ever conducted, in USA and UK, include all possible other lifestyle factors during group comparisons. There is no discussion; these are facts.
"In all 3 studies, it should be noted that the numbers of deaths from individual causes are relatively small; therefore, potentially important differences might not be detected because of lack of statistical power. For all causes of death combined, the Health Food Shoppers Study and the Oxford Vegetarian Study show almost identical mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians;"
"Vegetarians had a significantly increased mortality from breast cancer in the Health Food Shoppers Study and a significantly increased mortality from mental and neurological diseases in the Oxford Vegetarian Study"… again… examining the studies in detail is something you might not enjoy too much
"Because the methods used to recruit subjects were via vegetarian societies, health food shops, and magazines, it might be expected that the participants in the studies would, on average, be both healthier and more “health-conscious” than the British population in general. " If you examine the studies a little closer… you will find things you will not like.
Reread my comment; with all due respect; you are either stupid or obtuse. hint:" all factors are adjusted for".
I want an apple now.
sure put a link down below. I'll read it for you and point out the flaws and fundings.
OMG it Evan Noway the respected scientist who wrote a great detailed comperative and concise study of research on the subject. which is what Evan would hoped. Sadly enough his theory of doesn't hold much ground in reality.
Very good point. All sorts of other factors contribute to health or disease apart from food choices. For dealing with stress, may I suggest you take a look at EFT and FasterEFT tapping techniques. Lots of free videos here on youtube.
I do not understand what you are trying to say. If veg'ers suffer less diseases than the average person I do not see a surprise. The average person's lifestyle and food choices is not something to be admired. At least the veg'ers eat their greens and fruits. But you can still eat high amounts of fruits and veggies and not be a veg'er. There are studies bigger than this one which show a strong link between animal foods and lower HDR. If you're a veg'er, you're in a tough spot to explain these.
Don't be too sure running raw, that they are doing their best to adjust for all factors and be objective. In fact, it sounds fishy to me, comparing vegetarians to non-vegetarians? This is a study which merely suggests that fruits and vegetables are good for you. I've seen at least 2 other big cohort studies that suggest animal products (chicken and fish) are also associated with lower heart disease risk. These are all vague studies based on questionnaires and are not to be taken too seriously.
You are absolutely in the wrong, in the last 2 years, similar studies, in which all possible factors are adjusted for, concerning cancer and HDR have been published, and the results are, unfortunately for ideologues such as yourself, consistent. You are repeating the slogan of the skeptics from the 1990's and early 2000's in relation to why Veg'ers suffer less from diseases; these factors are now addressed; and the results remain extraordinarily power.
neu5GC is present in animals which is not generated humans. Yet it is found in human cancer tissues. So scientists have speculated, human intake of meat and dairy products can cause cancer.
Tim you're so insightful.My challenges r on 2levels: slowing down &be consistent. Running in the snow, swimming outside in the cold, all these are "easy" challenges. Now, taking the time to breath and slow down like in yoga/meditation, or doing reps of 40 on smaller muscles (ankles, wrists) HARD. So it's been my new "lifestyle" w eating raw & vegan. It came naturally while on a detox plan. I started losing taste for cooked &animal food. I then found u and i know i'm on the right track! Thank u!
February is the LOVE month so, one step at a time I'm going to Love Me More and rebound/exercise more each and every DAY. Stay blessed everyone.
i dont think thats a new study. just rediscovered.
That's a whole lot of 'maybes' :)
i think vegetarians eat a lot of macaroni and cheese and ice cream to fill in the animal fat void created by not consuming meat? Maybe dairy has anti cancer? Maybe calves dont have a high cancer rate because they drink cows milk all day? Have you ever looked at a bunch of bananas for 20 minutes in astonishment? Bananas are bananas.
In studies like this they do their best to try to adjust for factors like exercise and other behaviors, so that only apples are compared to apples 🙂 It's not perfect, but it's the best we have for correlational studies.
I see Evan Noway's point but I would make 2 comments…1. I'm sure there would be non-vegetarians in the group who also read labels, exercised and tried to eat 'healthy'…probably using the 'everything in moderation' mantra.
Also…i suspect a lot of vegetarians actually eat a lot of processed food still. That seems to be the story that gets told a lot from people who go from Vegie to vegan.
So maybe the study was comparing apples to apples (and not cows to apples lol).
WE are not Carnivores or Omnivores…our bodies are alkaline based. If you consume animal products you will get your butt kicked sooner or later! There is plenty of evidence out there to prove plant-based is best…just dig it out!!
Read "The China Study" !!