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That is some dumb trying to win an argument shit. There is also fresh meat no? Stupid!
Getting away from processed food is exactly why I went vegan. Animal meat is some of the most highly processed "food" there is. Peace.
The Masai actually have the shortest life span of any human culture on Earth.
And that's the key. Real food, not macros of this or that, but staying away from processed food.
Mann notes the following:The old and the young Masai do have some access to such processed staples as flour, sugar, confections and shortenings through the Indian dukas scattered about Masailand.
Actually, the maasai people's diets have changed over the years to include potatoes, more milk (high sugar content), and rice. It is their traditional diet that was mostly meat and milk. They have and did have access to high carb items. The study showed no heart attacks among them. Also, it is one study of 50 men. Also, there is no mention in the study whether all of the men were adhereing to the traditional diet.
There is no legitimate study showing mono is better than saturated. Many still say it but its unfounded. They have not cut the cord from the past misinformation. Only bad stuff are man mad like transfat.
Exactly. And as more move into more urban cities.
I'll wager its going to come out that the best diet is unprocessed foods both meat and veggie but calorie restricted. Stay thin and don't eat crap in a package.
Masai are getting heart disease as they lose land and no longer live their nomadic lifestyle and take on a more western diet.
@AlbertaBeefy yes but a study was done, showing how the masai have thicken artery walls, comparable to older american males. they achieved significant protection against heart disease,only because they are exceptional physically active, which makes sense. u could never replicate that lifestyle in a settled western culture.
@AlbertaBeefy clinical and nutritional studies are sponsored by food companies and agro industry, hardly independent…
What do you think about the studies on carnosine?
How about you stay on your vegan diet and I'll stay on my meat diet and we'll see who lasts longer.
@comeradesaladin Yeah and he's lost a lot more since then.
@llwayneio He probably got it from one of those paleo propoganda sites lol
@AlbertaBeefy vegan propoganda websites?? What "vegan propoganda website have I referred to?? No you're not providing information you are here to stir up shit and argue as this is not the first time I've dealt with you. I'm not trolling I like dr's vids and am just responding to your b.s. "At least I can provide evidence to backup my claims". You can? I haven't seen that yet but once again I'll take your word for it.
@AlbertaBeefy "contained pork and fish, and not in small quantities either" Can you provide evidence for this statement other than just saying that they "report that pork was a large part of their lifestyle pre-war"?. Also in what way is a peer reviewed study "vegan-only"? what does that even mean?
@82Bdog and what "word" do you take for it? Vegan propaganda websites? I at least look at independent research, not just that done by one side of an argument. Perhaps you should, too.
As for trolling… I'm only providing information. But yeah, I do look for videos that promote misinformation and provide clarification, sure.
But if I'm trolling … what are you doing? Seems the same. At least I can provide evidence to backup my claims.
@AlbertaBeefy "Traditional okinawasns report it was part of their festival days" Sure I guess I should take your word for it… The reputable peer-reviewed studies you refer to were vegan -only" ???? Another false comment but I guess I should take you word for it since you "have a health-science background and "know how to read a study". I must say you are pretty good at trolling lol
BTW the beauty of the Okinawan diet is the vast majority of carbs are from sweet potato, regardless of what years you investigate. Sweet potato is considerably lower on the glycemic index than rice, which some people incorrectly claim is the bulk of their diet. Boiled sweet potato has a GI of 46 and a GL (load) of only 11, lower than most fruits.
@82Bdog Again, incorrect. The stats you gave were for the year 1949. I know this because I have a full pdf of the study and have read it completely. I also have a health-sciences background. I know how to read a study.
The idea most pork was eaten on 'festival days' comes from vegan websites. Traditional okinawans report it was part of their festival days, but also report it was part of regular life as well.
The 'reputable peer-reviewed' studies you refer to were vegan-only.
@AlbertaBeefy It wasn't for only one year. This was a study in 2007 and was done on over 2000 people. Yes most couldn't afford much meat but that doesn't change the health and longevity they experienced without it. There is much b.s said on what they ate but the reputable peer-reviewed studies show they ate little meat. Most of the pork eaten was on what they called festival days.
@82Bdog If that's true, why didn't Campbell use properly adjusted data? Nobody has ever countered the arguments against his detractors. Ever.
@82Bdog what about the real results obtained by those who've had success on paleo, low-carb, etc.? Are their results any less-reputable than vegan results?
Again, I'm not saying veganism isn't healthy (although supplementation is important). I'm saying fresh, raw vegetables/fruit (or steamed veg) along with organic pasture-raised/grass-fed/free-range meat is also healthy. The SAD isn't healthy – too many refined/processed carbs/sugars and processed meat.
@82Bdog it wasn't "pre-1950" it was ONLY 1949 – post-war era Japan and Okinawa were experiencing a serious meat shortage. This is why the 1949 records show less meat. There is much speculation on the subject, but all traditional okinawan centenarians report that pork was a large part of their lifestyle pre-war. So one year worth of stats can't show 100 years worth of history.
The fact remains, the okinawans traditionally ate moderate amounts of pork.
@AlbertaBeefy Nope your bias is showing again. Campbell's research didn't start with that assumption at all. Keep your bogus conspiracy theories.
@AlbertaBeefy I guess I should take your word for it rather than others who are getting real results and proving what they say lol
@AlbertaBeefy Wrong!!! Okinawan diet, And it's potential impact on Morbility and lifespan Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci. 1114: 434-455 (2007).–This study was on what they ate pre-1950 before western influence. Sweet potatoes-69% of total cals, Rice 12%, Other grains-7%. Fish- 1%, meat (including poultry)-less than 1%. Overall diet 85% carb and 6% fat. Now take your own advice and stop listening to propoganda.
@82Bdog … and I don't try to troll. My objective is to spread truth, instead of your propaganda. You claim you don't look to PETA for science, but you point to campbell, mcdougall, et. al, who have NEVER managed to publish a reputable study? And call me the fool?
I studied enough sciences to know when a study is reputable, and what the standard is for studies. I doubt you can say the same, otherwise you'd actually be informed instead of championing an idea in ignorance.
@82Bdog Now you'll likely bring up how meat-eaters, like the inuit and masai have shorter life spans… but that argument is void considering their cause of death is seldom diet-related.
The have much less access to health care and are in very dangerous circumstances compared to those of us that live in more civilized, populated areas. Their incidence of accident and infant mortality is HUGE compared to the western world. That's what accounts for their lifespan.